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		<title>By: dsd</title>
		<link>http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/2006/08/05/oops-my-sermon-just-went-anthro/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>dsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bro:

There are times that Bible characters are used as examples - but they're
rare. I love this quote from Douglas Stuart:

"Avoid especially the fallacy of exemplarism (the idea that because someone
in the Bible does it, we can or ought to do it, too). This is perhaps the
most dangerous and irreverent of all approaches to application since
virtually every sort of behavior, stupid and wise, malicious and saintly,
is chronicled in the Bible. Yet this monkey-see-monkey-do sort of approach
to applying the Scriptures is very widely followed, largely because of the
dearth of good pulpit teaching to the contrary."

Take Abraham - he pimped his wife. He's obviously not given as an example
for us to follow in every respect. God, not Abraham, is the hero of the
story. If you take anything from Abraham it's not to imitate him, but that
God chooses people like him.

The same with allegories. I've heard people go nuts over allegorizing the
Temple. There are times that allegories are okay, but it can also be sloppy
and wishful thinking.

Your last point: I think theocentric sermons are even more relevant than
anthropocentric ones! But you'll have to read my thesis to find out why. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bro:</p>
<p>There are times that Bible characters are used as examples - but they&#8217;re<br />
rare. I love this quote from Douglas Stuart:</p>
<p>&#8220;Avoid especially the fallacy of exemplarism (the idea that because someone<br />
in the Bible does it, we can or ought to do it, too). This is perhaps the<br />
most dangerous and irreverent of all approaches to application since<br />
virtually every sort of behavior, stupid and wise, malicious and saintly,<br />
is chronicled in the Bible. Yet this monkey-see-monkey-do sort of approach<br />
to applying the Scriptures is very widely followed, largely because of the<br />
dearth of good pulpit teaching to the contrary.&#8221;</p>
<p>Take Abraham - he pimped his wife. He&#8217;s obviously not given as an example<br />
for us to follow in every respect. God, not Abraham, is the hero of the<br />
story. If you take anything from Abraham it&#8217;s not to imitate him, but that<br />
God chooses people like him.</p>
<p>The same with allegories. I&#8217;ve heard people go nuts over allegorizing the<br />
Temple. There are times that allegories are okay, but it can also be sloppy<br />
and wishful thinking.</p>
<p>Your last point: I think theocentric sermons are even more relevant than<br />
anthropocentric ones! But you&#8217;ll have to read my thesis to find out why. <img src='http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Imitating Bible characters, which uses the characters of the preaching
text as 'examples or models for imitation.' For instance, Abraham is
preached as an example of faith, or Joseph as someone who moves from pride
to humility."

Even the Apostle Paul, in his writings anyway, used Abraham and others as
examples of Faith.

"Allegorizing, which searches beneath the literal meaning of a passage
for the 'real' meaning? For instance, The Song of Solomon is
understood in this approach to be about the love between Christ and the
church."

If one studies the Tabernacle, for example, every detail of its
construction had something to say about The Christ. Abraham's willingness
to sacrifice his son is an illustration of God's plan for our redemption.

I have heard some people say that sometimes preachers use too many
"stories." Didn't Jesus use parables and stories to illustrate his
"sermons?"

"A desire to be relevant can lead to anthropocentric sermons that provide
answers to life's dilemmas, meet the questions, issues, and needs of the
moment, but miss the bigger picture."

Sometimes I WANT to know how this ancient text is relevant to my life
today. How DO I face today's problems? What DOES it mean to be a Christian
in today's society? How DO I overcome pride, or alcoholism, or depression?
What DOES the Bible say about these issues and others?

Question: A totally theocentric approach to preaching may be all well and
good, and very desirable, but it would seem to me that there is room for
anthropocentric sermons as well. Maybe it is just a question of balance and
tying it all together; pointing to Christ as "the Author and Finisher of
our Faith?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Imitating Bible characters, which uses the characters of the preaching<br />
text as &#8216;examples or models for imitation.&#8217; For instance, Abraham is<br />
preached as an example of faith, or Joseph as someone who moves from pride<br />
to humility.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even the Apostle Paul, in his writings anyway, used Abraham and others as<br />
examples of Faith.</p>
<p>&#8220;Allegorizing, which searches beneath the literal meaning of a passage<br />
for the &#8216;real&#8217; meaning? For instance, The Song of Solomon is<br />
understood in this approach to be about the love between Christ and the<br />
church.&#8221;</p>
<p>If one studies the Tabernacle, for example, every detail of its<br />
construction had something to say about The Christ. Abraham&#8217;s willingness<br />
to sacrifice his son is an illustration of God&#8217;s plan for our redemption.</p>
<p>I have heard some people say that sometimes preachers use too many<br />
&#8220;stories.&#8221; Didn&#8217;t Jesus use parables and stories to illustrate his<br />
&#8220;sermons?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A desire to be relevant can lead to anthropocentric sermons that provide<br />
answers to life&#8217;s dilemmas, meet the questions, issues, and needs of the<br />
moment, but miss the bigger picture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sometimes I WANT to know how this ancient text is relevant to my life<br />
today. How DO I face today&#8217;s problems? What DOES it mean to be a Christian<br />
in today&#8217;s society? How DO I overcome pride, or alcoholism, or depression?<br />
What DOES the Bible say about these issues and others?</p>
<p>Question: A totally theocentric approach to preaching may be all well and<br />
good, and very desirable, but it would seem to me that there is room for<br />
anthropocentric sermons as well. Maybe it is just a question of balance and<br />
tying it all together; pointing to Christ as &#8220;the Author and Finisher of<br />
our Faith?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dsd</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Greidanus would say that many times when we make the mistakes listed above, we're moving away from the purpose the text was written in an effort to be more relevant. So we're losing sight of the original meaning of the text.

I think you're right that these approaches aren't wrong all the time - but only when they line up with why the text was written. For instance, do we read Moses or Nehemiah to discover principles of great leadership, or to read of God's saving actions through people? Both messages are relevant but only one is faithful to the text.

The tension you capture in your last sentence is exactly the issue: The Story includes us, but it's not ultimately about us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Greidanus would say that many times when we make the mistakes listed above, we&#8217;re moving away from the purpose the text was written in an effort to be more relevant. So we&#8217;re losing sight of the original meaning of the text.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right that these approaches aren&#8217;t wrong all the time - but only when they line up with why the text was written. For instance, do we read Moses or Nehemiah to discover principles of great leadership, or to read of God&#8217;s saving actions through people? Both messages are relevant but only one is faithful to the text.</p>
<p>The tension you capture in your last sentence is exactly the issue: The Story includes us, but it&#8217;s not ultimately about us.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne shih</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne shih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree and yet I have questions ... doesn't the "allegorizing" of SS seem to be Christ-centered rather than man-centered, at least on the surface? And wouldn't supporters say there is some legitimacy to it in SS given Ephesians 5:32?

Also, doesn't Paul say that the story of Israel in the OT occurred as an example, presumably that we should imitate or not imitate?

And while preaching is to be God-centered, isn't it also supposed to change &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt;, and so to some degree it's also about us?

I appreciate what you're posting here. Just throwing out a few questions because I wrestle with this stuff also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and yet I have questions &#8230; doesn&#8217;t the &#8220;allegorizing&#8221; of SS seem to be Christ-centered rather than man-centered, at least on the surface? And wouldn&#8217;t supporters say there is some legitimacy to it in SS given Ephesians 5:32?</p>
<p>Also, doesn&#8217;t Paul say that the story of Israel in the OT occurred as an example, presumably that we should imitate or not imitate?</p>
<p>And while preaching is to be God-centered, isn&#8217;t it also supposed to change <i>us</i>, and so to some degree it&#8217;s also about us?</p>
<p>I appreciate what you&#8217;re posting here. Just throwing out a few questions because I wrestle with this stuff also.</p>
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