Comments on: Rediscovering the importance of passages we ignore http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/2008/05/15/rediscovering-the-importance-of-passages-we-ignore/ "The most difficult lie I have ever contended with is this: Life is a story about me." Donald Miller Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:09:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: dsd http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/2008/05/15/rediscovering-the-importance-of-passages-we-ignore/#comment-4930 dsd Fri, 16 May 2008 01:06:33 +0000 http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/?p=138#comment-4930 I agree with you on your first paragraph for sure. We had some debate about whether you could cover this passage in one sermon or two. There seem to be two big things to cover in this passage, and both are important. Good comments. I agree with you on your first paragraph for sure.

We had some debate about whether you could cover this passage in one sermon or two. There seem to be two big things to cover in this passage, and both are important.

Good comments.

]]> By: trush http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/2008/05/15/rediscovering-the-importance-of-passages-we-ignore/#comment-4929 trush Fri, 16 May 2008 01:01:52 +0000 http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/?p=138#comment-4929 I agree with this. I also think you'll agree with me when I say it needs to be preached with sorrow and fear as well as boldness and awe, and is understood best at the foot of the cross. Here's something I think about; our first exchange put the emphasis on the holy people, distinct in the world. Our second emphasized the holy God who has called those people. I think both emphases are in the text, both are legitimate; but I think emphasizing the person of God is what has often been lost, and that preaching it will gain the most traction in the settings we most commonly face. I like the line about not having a kit at church where we can make our own god. If we had one, it'd make an effective fund-raiser, I'm sure. I agree with this. I also think you’ll agree with me when I say it needs to be preached with sorrow and fear as well as boldness and awe, and is understood best at the foot of the cross.

Here’s something I think about; our first exchange put the emphasis on the holy people, distinct in the world. Our second emphasized the holy God who has called those people. I think both emphases are in the text, both are legitimate; but I think emphasizing the person of God is what has often been lost, and that preaching it will gain the most traction in the settings we most commonly face.

I like the line about not having a kit at church where we can make our own god. If we had one, it’d make an effective fund-raiser, I’m sure.

]]> By: dsd http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/2008/05/15/rediscovering-the-importance-of-passages-we-ignore/#comment-4928 dsd Fri, 16 May 2008 00:41:29 +0000 http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/?p=138#comment-4928 We had a very long discussion on that topic today. Haddon Robinson was very helpful. Just some highlights from the notes I was taking: ---- it’s a terrible thing to make God your enemy you don’t go up against God without realizing this you won’t understand the Bible unless you realize that God hates sin, no matter who is sinning he is not a bland, get-along-with-everyone God if you don’t understand this, then we won’t understand what the gospel is great question is how God could be holy and justify his people? our God is a consuming fire Volf: God himself absorbed this violence at the cross so we don't have to bear it if that God begins to judge, he begins with the house of God application is not to wipe out people God is holy, and if we compromise with this we’re in trouble “I don’t like a God like this” answer: we don’t have a kit at the local church where we can make our own God --- Much more. A difficult passage to be sure, but you could feel the excitement about preaching it. We had a very long discussion on that topic today. Haddon Robinson was very helpful. Just some highlights from the notes I was taking:

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it’s a terrible thing to make God your enemy
you don’t go up against God without realizing this
you won’t understand the Bible unless you realize that God hates sin, no matter who is sinning
he is not a bland, get-along-with-everyone God
if you don’t understand this, then we won’t understand what the gospel is
great question is how God could be holy and justify his people?
our God is a consuming fire
Volf: God himself absorbed this violence at the cross so we don’t have to bear it

if that God begins to judge, he begins with the house of God
application is not to wipe out people
God is holy, and if we compromise with this we’re in trouble
“I don’t like a God like this”
answer: we don’t have a kit at the local church where we can make our own God

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Much more. A difficult passage to be sure, but you could feel the excitement about preaching it.

]]> By: trush http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/2008/05/15/rediscovering-the-importance-of-passages-we-ignore/#comment-4927 trush Fri, 16 May 2008 00:32:40 +0000 http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/?p=138#comment-4927 Thanks, Darryl. I can see that easily relating to the commands against intermarriage and for the destruction of the idols, but it's harder to relate "need to be distinct" with "destroy them all, men, women, children". I agree that recognizing the underlying theme of a holy identity is essential to exegesis of any of it. So it's helpful...but still such a tension! Thanks again. Thanks, Darryl. I can see that easily relating to the commands against intermarriage and for the destruction of the idols, but it’s harder to relate “need to be distinct” with “destroy them all, men, women, children”. I agree that recognizing the underlying theme of a holy identity is essential to exegesis of any of it. So it’s helpful…but still such a tension!

Thanks again.

]]> By: dsd http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/2008/05/15/rediscovering-the-importance-of-passages-we-ignore/#comment-4922 dsd Thu, 15 May 2008 21:53:14 +0000 http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/?p=138#comment-4922 I don't know if I can do it justice, but I'll give a short overview. Dan mainly spoke on verses 6-11: 1. You are holy people 2. God has chosen you 3. You are God’s treasured possession On the basis of this, it's imperative that we maintain our distinctiveness from the world. The reason verses 1-5 bothers us is that we don't get verses 6-11. He dealt with the tensions of the first section. His application is that we really aren't living distinctly from the world because we really don't understand our identity and what's at stake when we become like the world. It was really better than that; I hope to preach on it someday. I don’t know if I can do it justice, but I’ll give a short overview.

Dan mainly spoke on verses 6-11:

1. You are holy people
2. God has chosen you
3. You are God’s treasured possession

On the basis of this, it’s imperative that we maintain our distinctiveness from the world. The reason verses 1-5 bothers us is that we don’t get verses 6-11. He dealt with the tensions of the first section. His application is that we really aren’t living distinctly from the world because we really don’t understand our identity and what’s at stake when we become like the world.

It was really better than that; I hope to preach on it someday.

]]> By: trush http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/2008/05/15/rediscovering-the-importance-of-passages-we-ignore/#comment-4921 trush Thu, 15 May 2008 21:42:03 +0000 http://www.theocentricpreaching.com/?p=138#comment-4921 O c'mon, Darryl. Give us a hint! Can you bullet-point a summary of how that would be handled? Or, maybe you can't...for reasons of publication rights etc. on Daniel's part. If you can, I'd love to ponder it! O c’mon, Darryl. Give us a hint! Can you bullet-point a summary of how that would be handled? Or, maybe you can’t…for reasons of publication rights etc. on Daniel’s part. If you can, I’d love to ponder it!

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